Unlocking Graceful Aging Through Genetics with Elwin Robinson

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There really isn't such a thing as an anti-aging nutrient, despite what people say.

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The anti-aging nutrient is the one that you are the lowest in, that you need the most, like you're only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.

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Nutrition is important.

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I think hormones are really important.

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Some people just have a tendency for hormonal imbalances.

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Welcome to Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.

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Hello and welcome to Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.

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I'm Dr Tamar Lawful, dr of Pharmacy and Certified Nutritional Genomics Specialist.

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So today I'm wrapping you in a warm, virtual hug as we dive into a topic that is so close to my heart and, I believe, crucial to our collective journey towards better health, vitality and self-understanding.

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You know many struggle with chronic ailments, baffling symptoms or a persistent feeling of unwellness, despite rigorous diets and lifestyle adjustments.

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The piece they might be missing it could very well be hidden in their genetic code.

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So picture this a world where your every meal, your lifestyle choice, even your morning routine, is perfectly aligned with a unique blueprint of your body Sounds like a distant dream.

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Well, not anymore.

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And helping us unlock this futuristic vision today is someone who turned his personal health revolution into a global mission.

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As a matter of fact, I could very well be talking about myself, but I'm talking about the incredible Elwin Robinson, a pioneer, a healer and the visionary founder of Genetic Insights.

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Elwin's story is not just inspiring.

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It's a testament to the power of transformation.

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From battling fatigue and feeling decades older in his 20s, Elwin embarked on a quest that led him not only to reclaim his health, but to feel younger, more vibrant and more alive than he ever imagined possible.

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And now he's here to share that magic with us.

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With his revolutionary platform, genetic Insights, Elwin is changing the game.

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Imagine having a roadmap that tells you exactly what your body needs to thrive, to heal and to feel younger.

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That's what he offers insights into how our genes can guide our dietary choices, warn us about potential health risks and even highlight the steps we can take towards reversing premature aging.

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So, whether you're a health enthusiast, someone on a healing journey, or just curious about the incredible potential locked within your DNA, this episode is your key to unlocking a future where age is truly just a number.

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Listen in.

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So, Elwin, thank you for joining us on Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.

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Now, your journey is nothing short of remarkable.

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You know, you went from decades of feeling older in your twenties to now embracing the energy of youth at 43.

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And it's a transformation story that lights a fire in all of us.

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So could you share a little bit of that with us?

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Maybe some insights into your pivotal moments that spark the path that you're on now?

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sure, when you talk about feeling older, I used to work at one point in a retirement home where the average age was like 88 and these were the most successful people.

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This is not a nursing home.

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They were still kind of able to look after themselves at such an advanced age, but still there are certain things I noticed about them.

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They tended to be in chronic pain most of the time.

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They tended to be quite fearful.

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They tend to have very low levels of energy and you know, they always seem to have digestive issues and like frequent recurring chronic infections and obviously had to be very careful in their movements, all of that kind of stuff.

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And, as I said, these are the healthiest of people who managed to reach, you know, the late 80s infections and obviously had to be very careful in their movements, all of that kind of stuff.

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As I said, these are the healthiest of people who managed to reach the late 80s.

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Anyway, so through a series of things which I won't go into, I ended up in a position about age 39 to 40 where I felt really the same.

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I ended up with a crippling maybe exaggerating, but I don't know.

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It was bad.

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I mean it was bad.

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I mean it stopped me working.

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It stopped me functioning.

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Pain in my abdominal region, around my right solar plexus, which then made it very difficult to eat.

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Oh yeah, that's the other thing.

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That's in terms of low appetite older people I notice, and that kind of makes them lose weight eventually, which is what happened to me.

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I I'm six foot three, right now 180, 180 pounds, which is pretty exactly average for that height.

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But I got to the point where I was 120, 125 pounds.

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I really wasted away and it's partly because every time I ate it was so painful, it just I didn't want to eat.

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I had really bad anxiety, I couldn't sleep and I got to the point of feeling pretty futile and hopeless.

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And I'm not against mainstream medicine at all.

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The very first thing I did is go to a doctor, in fact several different doctors, like the standard GP that we have over here, and then various specialists, not even only in this country, also in another country, and no one could understand what's going on.

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They did MRI, ct, blood panels, all that kind of stuff, endo.

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They couldn't find anything.

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And then I did all kinds of alternative routes.

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Uh, first of all I thought, well, maybe it's not a, you know, even though it's in the digestive area, maybe it's a structural issue.

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So I went to see physio, osteopath, chiropractor, craniosacral therapist, all of those kind of people.

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Not only did they not help but honestly, sometimes, even when they were trying to help, they actually made it worse, like the pain would be worse after they do their manipulations and massages and stuff, which was not great.

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And then I tried all kinds of other alternative stuff like functional medicine and nutritionists and microbiome experts and on and on and on, and not only did none of it work or provide answers, but a lot of it actually made me feel worse, which was especially discouraging.

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And that went on for about two years almost.

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And I'll be honest, dr Tamar, sometimes I was like at my limit of I want to give up, not give up on finding an answer, but give up on living because the pain I mean.

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I eventually did discover what it was and it's something very unusual, especially in men called sphincter, of body dysfunction and the pain of it.

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I've spoken to a woman since he wrote a book about it and she said to her the pain is worse than childbirth and specifically the thing that's so bad about it is that, um, no painkillers work, so the NSAIDs don't do anything.

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This might be interesting from your point of view as a pharmacologist.

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And then the opiates actually make it significantly worse Interesting, and I'm not quite sure of the mechanism for that.

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I have speculation you probably get into, but anyway.

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So basically I couldn't take any painkillers.

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The only thing that kind of made me feel better was CBD, but I had to have massive doses that were kind of numbing.

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I didn't like that.

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It stopped my brain working very well.

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So anyway, nothing was working.

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And then I came across this resource that said if you've ever done an ancestry report before, then you can upload your data and within a few hours you can find out all this information about yourself.

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At this point I was pretty desperate.

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You know this is quite obviously far along this two-year journey and I thought back.

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I was like, huh, I think I have.

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So my wife and I, eight years before that, we'd done 23andMe together just to check on our ancestry.

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There weren't any huge surprises there.

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I was like, let me see if I can dig that out.

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So I did it, uploaded this data to the service and logged in and I saw all these different reports and because I didn't have anything else to do, I wasn't working or anything at the time.

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I just started to pour over all of them and I was blown away, first of all, about how much information it's possible to ascertain about someone purely based on their DNA and the range of information.

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I guess everything from health risks to nutrient needs to even personality traits and stuff things I really had no idea would be there.

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And then, yeah, the accuracy of it.

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And I've never been to like a fortune teller or a psychic or anyone and have that experience of being blown away like, oh my god, how did you know that?

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But I kind of felt that with this, this was like a psychic, like it knew so much about me and it gave me some insights that helped me to work out what was going on with me where nothing else had, and I wouldn't say that just getting my genetic data gave me all the information I needed.

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I still had to go and do testing afterwards, like blood testing, to confirm what I found and see stuff, but it gave me the first clues, as it were, to actually discover what was going on and make it better.

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And not only did I resolve that issue that I had, but I actually realized that I'd had some degree of digestive issues all my life.

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I'd always been underweight, I'd always had a lot of burping and digestive discomfort, I'd always had all these food intolerances and things I couldn't eat and all that kind of stuff.

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And so I realized probably it was a several decade long issue that had culminated in this severe pain.

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But actually it helped me to again not just get back to how I was before at 38, but actually feel better than I have in living memory, which was pretty awesome.

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That is a powerful story, Owen, because you tried.

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You tried everything.

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I know people say I've tried everything.

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There's always things they haven't tried, but I tried a lot yeah within two years.

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Plenty, plenty.

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So is there any one significant finding?

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When you got that report that really stood out to you.

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That was life-changing.

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You'll like this, I think, given your background.

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So one of the things it said and it was just one of many things, but it turned out to be quite key is it said that I have a.

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My body had more difficulty than usual detoxifying a heavy metal called lead and I never had thought of testing for heavy metals.

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I think I'd done a hair mineral analysis before and that was nothing was, you know, very significant with that.

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But because of this genetic test I was like you know what I'm just gonna?

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I'm gonna pay for a test, and so I did and it's very unusual.

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I think it costs more than $100 for one marker, which is a lot.

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And amazingly I actually did have high lead.

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The reference range is zero to three and I had 27.5 micrograms per deciliter, so I had 10 times what should be the maximum reference range.

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I discovered 45 is at the level which the World Health Organization considers it to be an acute poisoning and, will you know, recommend chelation therapy in an emergency room.

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So I was closer to emergency room than normal person and I went to a doctor my normal doctor again and who had really not had any answers, and I said could this be the cause of all my symptoms, because symptoms include anxiety, feeling cold all the time, which I I had, low energy, emotional disturbance, but also abdominal pain, unexplained abdominal pain, and the doctor said he goes yeah, that could be the cause of all your symptoms, but we don't trust your third party testing.

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So I said okay, do your own.

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And then, as you may know, the first thing that they think of with lead is exposure, because it is so difficult to detoxify it.

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So they were like well, where's it come from?

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And I said I don't know.

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I mean.

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So I was like let's test my wife, because she's living with me, she's drunk and bathed in the same water, she's eating roughly the same food, she's taking roughly the same supplements, she's eating off the same plate, she's breathing the same air all of the usual exposures within the home.

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You know, I wasn't working in the industry or anything like that, and we lived together for 10 years roughly at that point nine years and her test results came back and they were like one.

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So I think it was two things.

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First of all, I think, again reading the world health organization report, it said that the half life of that is 20 years, that one of the problems is that your body mistakes it for calcium, another mineral, and so it can put it anywhere, including in your cells, which is really the problem, but especially likes to deposit it in your bones.

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And so I believe I probably had lead poisoning, maybe teenage years, something like that.

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It would be deposited in my bones and it's just been leaching this poison into my blood ever since, which meant that throughout my adult life I'd had these digestive problems.

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I'd always been underweight, I'd always have emotional disturbances, I'd always had an underactive thyroid, which is one of the other things I discovered, therefore feeling cold, low energy, all of that kind of stuff.

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So I don't think it was even recent exposure and I think it wasn't like any extreme exposure either.

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So I think the genetic thing was significant.

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I think possibly, you know, if someone else had have had exactly the same life of me, but without one different snip in their genes, yeah, they might have normal levels of lead, even if they might be high, whereas mine was sky high because I didn't have that genetic capacity to deal with it very well.

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So that's one, and that was like the most surprising.

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I mean, you don't hear many people who have worked from home for 10 years of having such high levels of lead toxicity.

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So, from once discovering that genetic variation affecting your ability to detoxify lead and then seeing your actual lead levels in your blood, was that report able to give you some guidance on what to do.

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No, unfortunately, who doesn't have any guidance for people, as I said, over 45.

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Mine was 27.

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They recommend chelation therapy, but chelation therapy is extremely disruptive to the system and dangerous in its own right, and so they don't routinely recommend it unless it is an emergency.

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So the test wasn't able to.

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But I did a lot of my own research and I discovered that, while the mainstream perspective is really there's nothing you can do, there are actually some things that are effective, and I pursued some of those, and it still takes time.

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I've got mine down to six now, which is still double what it should be, but it, you know, from like really feeling horrible and being literally poisoned to actually feeling like okay and I said not just okay, but better than I ever have in reality, because I probably had this for decades.

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And thanks for sharing that personal story with us, Elwin very personal and I'm glad that you're starting to get some relief and that those levels have gone down.

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Your experience, your path that you took on your health journey led you to the powerful work you're doing now with Genetic Insights.

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Could you tell us about Genetic Insights?

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Yeah, absolutely Geneticinsightsco.

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So I was so impressed by this, but I thought maybe it's a fluke, maybe I'm lucky, and so you know, I'm one of those kind of people and you might be like that too where if I find something that I really think is great, I try and get everyone around me to do it.

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So obviously, I got my wife to do it, I my all my business partners to do it, I got as many employees as were willing to do it to do it.

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I got friends to do it, I got you know, family members to do it, really everyone who I spent significant time with.

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I wanted to you know and go through with them, and I did.

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And I was again amazed how accurate it was, how helpful it was.

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I was also amazed, like comparing myself to other people.

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It really helped me to understand myself better in relation to other people, like to do with the personality stuff, but also like how resilient a person is to stress.

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Or like diet some people need loads of fat in their diet.

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Some people need lower fat and loads of carbs or loads of protein.

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So even like, oh, why does the person eat that way?

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Oh well, because they need to.

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It's genetic.

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So you know all of that kind of thing, like questions that you have about other people, the way they behave or why they tend to be late, or why they always seem to be creating drama in their life, or you know how do they get away with only having five hours sleep when I don't feel good unless I've ate?

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All of those kind of questions, right, like differences between people.

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It started to make sense of it all and and then I was like you know what?

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This service is great.

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The only thing I didn't like about the platform I used is it really seemed to be designed more for practitioners.

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It was exceedingly complicated and you really had to understand a lot about genetics in order to get the most out of it, which I quickly learned, but, as I said, I was not really working at the time, so you know I was able to focus on it for every waking hour where most people have got lives and, and you know work to do and all the rest of it.

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So I was like you know what?

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I would like to provide the same information, but let's just make it like affordable and a lot simpler.

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And so that's where genetic insights was born, and also with, I guess, guidance and support.

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So, you know, I do consults with people if they want me to run through their results with them, and then for those who don't want to do that or can't, whatever, you know, I created lots of video guides as well, which is kind of like a virtual consult that just goes through it.

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So just trying to be as supportive as possible, because, even though our platform is way simpler than others that are as accurate, I realize that still, like we provide a lot of information, like we provide over 500 reports on all kinds of topics, and I understand that people can still be like, oh my god, and there's even an emotional component to it.

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Right, it's like when you see you have a high risk of something, it can easily go oh my god, I mean I'm gonna get it, and so like they're coaching for it.

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So no, that doesn't mean that.

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And then the other thing is, it's not just risk, it's also we give recommendations, you know.

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So recommendations based on genetics, and I think that's really important.

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Like, there's one category of reports I chose not to include, even though I could have done, which is cancer, and the reason is because for any cancer report we wouldn't be able to give any recommendations, because everything that we do is fda and fdc approved and so you're not allowed to say obviously anything can help with that, even though maybe there are some research indicating that maybe you could.

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And so I was like you know what we're not giving?

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We're not telling people they have a risk of something like that without giving them something they can actually do, and so that's why we don't include that, whereas maybe with heart disease or diabetes, you know, there are lifestyle things you can do and so I can say look, you've a higher risk of it, but there's stuff you can do to actually make your risk less than the average person.

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Right, because if you have a higher risk of it, but there's stuff you can do to actually make your risk less than the average person, right, because if you have a genetic risk higher than the average person but you are doing much more of the things that are good for you, then you actually you do have a less of a risk than the average person.

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Exactly.

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Now let's look at detoxification, since that's something that you personally had discovered through genetic testing yourself.

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So we know that genetics can influence our capability to detox.

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Could you discuss how someone can tailor their diet to support or even enhance their body's natural detox process?

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Yeah, I think you know.

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Part of it is understanding what does and doesn't work for you.

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So, for instance, some people do well with a lot of saturated fat, some people do well with a lot of saturated fat, some people do well with a lot of unsaturated fat and some people don't do well with a lot of fat.

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They need less fat.

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If you are having the wrong type of fuel let's just put it that way that puts an increased burden on your liver, which then means that it's going to be struggling to deal with all the other toxins that it needs to deal with.

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So that's one example.

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One example oh, I'll give a personal, anecdotal one from my story.

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So I said I had this thing called sphincter of body dysfunction, which medically they don't know what caused it, but practically treating it a lot of the time is the same as a treatment for cholestasis, and cholestasis means when the bile, which is this fluid that should be being created in your liver and released into your digestive tract via your gallbladder, becomes less fluid, when it becomes more solid and, in fact, stuck.

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And so there are many reasons why that could happen.

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One of the reasons is because your body doesn't have enough of a nutrient called choline.

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Choline used to be classed as a b vitamin, but they changed the classification of it because, in order to be classed as a vitamin, your body cannot be capable of making its own, and in the case of choline, your body can make its own choline.

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However, some people's bodies are better at making choline than others, and if you have specific variant in the what's called a pemt gene I have, you actually require three times as much choline from your diet as someone who doesn't have that variant in their gene.

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Now, that's bad enough, but there are actually very few foods that have significant amount of choline.

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The number one that most people actually eat is egg yolks, and if you eat egg yolks you know, even several a week you're probably getting a reasonable amount of choline that you can cope with.

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But what if, like me, I didn't like eggs and then I went vegan for a while.

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So I basically went 15 years without any eggs, didn't have any high choline foods, so I needed more than the average person.

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I was actually getting a lot less than the average person, and I would say this was one of the reasons why I ended up with uh, cholestasis and ultimately this really bad pain.

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And so, to go back to you know, addressing your question, I think understanding the nutrients that you specifically need and that you need more of.

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Another example would be, you know, vitamin k2.

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If a person needs more vitamin K2 and they don't get it, then they're going to have calcium buildup in places like, for instance, the liver or gallbladder, which we call gallstones, and that can impair detoxification.

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And then there are other things like taurine.

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They're building blocks for glutathione, like glycine, which a lot of people don't have enough in their diet.

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I had a guy who had chronic anxiety for 40 years, plus all kinds of detoxification issues.

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He tried so many things.

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He'd done therapy for a long time, he'd done spiritual stuff, he'd done personal development stuff, all of that kind of stuff as well, as you know, all kinds of nutritional interventions as well and health interventions, and just couldn't shake it.

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We looked at his results.

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There was obviously a lot there, but one of the things is that he had increased need for a amino acid called glycine, and glycine is quite high in connective tissue.

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So if you eat the way that most of our ancestors did, where they would eat like the whole animal and so they would have a lot of connective tissue, then you kind of get a lot from that, like chicken broth, whatever.

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But most of us these days, we, if we eat meat, we just didn't sweet muscle meat, so we don't get a lot of that connective tissue.

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We don't get a lot of glycine, and he was one of those people, so he wasn't getting enough from diet and he has an increased genetic need.

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As soon as he starts having it, he starts feeling better.

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First of all, his mood.

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He's like oh my God, my anxiety is just going away, because glycine is also a very powerful neurotransmitter that works, similar to GABA, as being like a very anti-stress chemical.

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Does that mean that every person who takes glycine will have a reduction in stress?

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No, because it will only be effective if you need it right.

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If you've already got enough of it, then it's not going to work.

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But he really needed it.

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And then it's also, as I said, one of the building blocks of glutathione, which is your primary antioxidant in your body, and so his health and digestive issues started to get better as well.

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So the problem is like anyone who says just take milk thistle, just fast, just do green juices, whatever the problem is, it just depends.

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It depends on the person, and that's why I'm such a big fan these days of testing, both genetic testing and then actual blood, urine, saliva, stool, as needed tests as well, to find out what is going to be the biggest point of leverage, what's going to move the needle for you and that's a great point, Elwin, because and that explains why one there's so many dietary recommendations out there, because, depending on who it was tested in, they're going to get different results, and then that's why there's conflicting information, and when people go and search on the internet, they're confused.

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Yes, this source says one thing.

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This says the completely opposite.

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So the best way to truly know what you need is to get that genetic test that shows your risk and can help you really get to the root of what the issues are that you may be having.

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I'm a fan of other testing.

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As I say, I always start with genetic testing because it is the best value for money, you know, just for the amount you pay versus the amount of helpful information you get.

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Value for money, you know just for the amount you pay versus the amount of helpful information you get.

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But I I'm still I very much recommend, and I usually recommend to people that they go and validate that even with some nutrients, you know, like I don't mind someone taking more glycine because our results say that they should, because that's pretty harmless, but I wouldn't want someone to take more vitamin a or more iron or something like that, just because I'll test say it, because you can have too much of those things and I wouldn't want you to have too much.

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I think it is always better to test.

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And something to keep in mind is that these type of nutrigenomic testings they're not diagnostic, they're there to just give insight into how your genes are presenting and it's more, I think, that more of a risk of.

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But yeah, you have to really find out if you are hold on to iron.

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you have to actually get the test to see where your levels are, so it can help you know where to start for sure having said that, when I see women who are of menstrual age, who feel cold and tired, who have an increased need for iron in their genetics, sometimes I say just try taking a little bit and see how you feel.

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It's pretty rare they can have an overload yes, indeed.

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Now, going back to um the aging right, you, you have a passion for reversing premature aging.

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Can you discuss how specific genetic markers might influence the ideal dietary choices for promoting longevity?

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uh, yeah, absolutely.

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You know I gave like examples relating to nutrition.

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There really isn't such a thing as an anti-aging nutrient, despite what people say.

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The anti-aging nutrient is the one that you are the lowest in, that you need the most.

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You're only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.

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Having said that, some common ones like magnesium, vitamin K2, I think, is very underrated for anti-aging because of its effect at removing calcium where it shouldn't be.

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In a way, the process of aging is almost the process of calcification, becoming more brittle and dry and rigid.

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So I guess that's a good one.

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But it's surprising how often, dr Tamar, I see even amino acids, things that people wouldn't think of, like an increased need for lysine, for instance, which does a million things, but primarily it supports the immune system, or an increased need for tyrosine that when it's not addressed, then the person you know again I know this is not medically considered to be true, but I see it over and over again more like to have an underactive thyroid because they don't have tyrosine, which is the building block of thyroxine, along with iodine.

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So I think nutrition is important.

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I think hormones are really important.

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So some people just have a tendency for hormonal imbalances.

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Some people have a tendency for high cortisol, like me, genetically and again validated by actual testing.

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That's not great, if you know.

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When it comes to longevity, there's lots of research that shows that, um, chronically high cortisol, rather than temporarily high cortisol, is a really strong risk factor for early death and early chronic disease.

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Uh, low levels of thyroid hormone, I think, are underdiagnosed and very often a cause of premature aging because there is not enough energy being created by your cells, not enough atp being created to maintain every system in the body and often, if that's the case, the person kind of runs on stress and so thyroid is one.

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Low levels progesterone, high levels of estrogen, low levels of testosterone in men, low levels of DHEA like the ratio of DHEA to cortisol is very important.

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Even low levels of oxytocin is interesting because when people have genetically low levels of oxytocin is interesting because when people have genetically low levels of oxytocin, I've never met a person this hasn't been true for every person who has genetically low levels of oxytocin.

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When I say, are you the kind of person who has addictive tendencies, who finds it really hard to relax, who feels like they have like an emptiness inside them, they have to fill, they're always like yes, yes and yes, like it's always the case.

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And this is because oxytocin is what my understanding is it makes you feel fulfilled and it makes you feel satisfied, satiated.

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Doctors sometimes prescribe it off label for people with addictive tendencies to reduce, like food cravings and alcohol cravings and stuff like that.

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So if you have a genetic tendency for that, you can.

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You're much more likely to smoke, you're much more likely to overeat, you're much more likely to do all those things which then prematurely age you.

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So hormones are really important, even lifestyle stuff, like if you're someone who struggles to reach deep sleep, for instance.

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That's something that you know, you need to be aware of and you need to facilitate an environment for that.

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Like if you're someone who genetically finds it hard to get into deep sleep already, then trying to sleep in an environment that's like warm and noisy and there's someone who keeps kicking you and there's light on and all of that kind of stuff, like you're stacking the odds against you, you know, and stress is a big one, you know.

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I mentioned earlier resilience to stress.

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That was one of the big things for me to realize.

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Some people have a genetic where they break down stress, chemicals, catecholamines very quickly.

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This is dependent on a gene called compt and also a gene called mao, but let's say with the compt one, this breaks down stress chemicals.

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If you break down stress chemicals slowly, like I do, then you need to not put yourself in an environment where there's constant stress.

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And what did I do for the first 10 years of my life?

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I was working as a chef in a busy restaurant.

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This is before I went to retirement home, where there's constantly, you know, this meal has to be ready in two minutes, this has to be ready in three minutes, this has to be ready in five minutes and there's someone screaming like all day, like that's not a good environment for someone with.

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If you're the opposite type, if you're a fast comp, if you break down stress chemicals slowly, then if you're in the kind of environment where I am now, where everything's peaceful and there's no you know no loud noises and you know no one's screaming at you, there's no stress, you know no deadlines, all that kind of stuff, they would feel bored to tears, like they would hate that, and this is what they sometimes call the uh, the warrior, warrior gene.

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Some people do better in a high conflict, dramatic, chaotic, stressful environment and they're bored otherwise, because not only do the stress chemicals break down adrenaline, they also break down dopamine, and so someone with fast comps they also break down the dopamine more quickly and they're more likely to have adhd.

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They're more likely to find it really difficult to focus, and so it turns out like I always thought I was inferior because I wasn't able to deal with stress very well.

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But what I realized is I am more suited to thriving in a peaceful environment, whereas they are more suited to thriving in a stressful environment.

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And it's not like one is better or worse or one is superior or inferior.

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They're both completely valid, and I think nature has created it, or God or whatever you believe in, has created this this way, because different human beings have different niches.

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I think another example of that although you can go too far of it is night owl and early bird.

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You know we have a report for that.

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I think genetically it would make sense that if everyone was asleep by the time it got dark in the past, then who's going to watch for predators and wolves and tigers and all the rest of it?

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Right, like a few people maybe only one person I tried had to stay awake and like, make sure everything's okay.

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So there would be a genetic that would make you more suited to that, you know.

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And so all of these like understanding these little things about ourselves, uh, you know, to go back to your question about aging and premature aging, whenever you try and be something that you're not, it puts a strain on you.

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To go back to the stress thing for a person who has that fast comp, it would actually put a strain on them to, like, go to a monastery or an ashram and have everyone around them be peaceful and be meditating or praying all day for them.

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That would drive them crazy and prematurely age them, whereas for me, being in, as I say, a highly chaotic combat environment would definitely prematurely age me.

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So just understanding yourself and putting yourself in an environment that suits you, I think is, you know, very, very important for living long and also enjoying the life you have.

00:32:01.535 --> 00:32:04.104
Yeah, I agree 100 percent, and it makes so much sense now.

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It made me think of maybe we could do genetic testing to determine what type of job you should have, what kind of work environment you should have Right the one that that way you know which one you'll thrive in the best.

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Yeah, I think we could get better at that, but we already have.

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Are you familiar with the big five from psychology?

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Big five personality scale?

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Yes, so we already can tell you your genetic predisposition for that.

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So that's part of it, because there's a lot of research around the big five in careers, as you probably know.

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So someone who's like highly introverted and disagreeable should not be in a customer service role.

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You know, for instance, right like.

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So we can help to narrow it down with that a lot as well, and I actually do use that.

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Before I hire someone now, I'll work with them.

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I will definitely check the genetics and make sure you know, as well as ask them to do one of those big five tests, because we want to make sure that what we're asking them to do is does not fundamentally go against their own nature that's a good, good point.

00:32:57.484 --> 00:33:00.237
That's interesting and not a bad thing to do.

00:33:00.237 --> 00:33:02.643
Now I'm thinking maybe I should try that test as well.

00:33:02.643 --> 00:33:05.017
I completely understand what you mean.

00:33:05.017 --> 00:33:06.584
I have a couple more questions for you.

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I want to talk about the ethical and privacy concerns when it comes to genetic data.

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Many people might refrain from doing tests like this because they're not really sure how safe their information is.

00:33:17.939 --> 00:33:24.356
So how do you navigate the ethical and privacy concerns associated with handling this type of sensitive information?

00:33:24.718 --> 00:33:28.948
Yeah, it's a good question and I think it probably is one of the main things.

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I think one of the things is they just don't want to know, which we can also talk about if you want.

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But I think another thing is definitely this so I think there's probably two different concerns in that regard.

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I think, on one hand, people are kind of concerned that the government will insist on having their data, and I would say, in that regard, they have some right to be concerned.

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Honestly, as much as we absolutely care about your privacy.

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If I was threatened to go to jail for 40 years unless I handed someone's information over, I probably would you know if all reasonable I'm not.

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You know Julian Assange or whatever, so that's a real concern.

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However, what I will say to that is you can get someone's genetic data from pretty much any of their body fluids.

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So if you've ever done a blood test that any government agency has access to, ever done a urine test, ever done a saliva test, etc.

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They could get your genetic data anyway much more easily coming to a company like us.

00:34:20.047 --> 00:34:31.882
So if you're paranoid about the government trying to get your data, maybe you're right to be, but to be honest, unless you are completely off grid and you never have any medical testing of any kind.

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They can get it if they want it.

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So that's to address that.

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If you're talking about more worried about that, we will sell your data or that we will make a mistake with your data, so, in terms of selling, we're absolutely not going to do that.

00:34:44.295 --> 00:34:46.503
That is something that's, you know, guaranteed.

00:34:46.503 --> 00:34:48.228
Uh, we make that clear on our website.

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If we were to do it, you could sue us into oblivion because we promised you that we wouldn't.

00:34:52.764 --> 00:35:01.668
In terms of the and I think this is the most concerns that's why I've left it to a last because it happened recently with 23andMe, which is that someone's data was actually hacked.

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Is my understanding I hope I have not misconstrued that I think it was a bunch of people, because it was to do with ancestry.

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So they have this thing where there's all these connections, like all your relatives will show up, and so by accessing one person's account, they're able to access a bunch of other people's data because they're related to them.

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I think that's my understanding.

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If I've got it wrong, I'm sorry, but that's what I understand.

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So that was the danger.

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So I would say, in terms of someone getting into your account.

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If you do a very strong password, which I would highly recommend for anything that you have with any data, let alone sensitive data, then you're pretty safe from being hacked.

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Most of the stories that you hear about people hacking are because they do completely stupid passwords, like password or 123, or because they click on some malware thing which pretends to be them and then they put their information.

00:35:51.442 --> 00:35:58.940
So if you make sure that you always use our website and that you always use a secure password as opposed to an alternative, then you're pretty safe.

00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:01.885
And then only other question is us are we going to make a mistake?

00:36:01.885 --> 00:36:13.958
So in that regard, I would say we're probably the best bet of any of the companies out there, because the problem with a lot of the companies, of the big companies, is that thousands and thousands of people have access to your genetic data.

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That's the reality.

00:36:15.563 --> 00:36:20.541
All there are many engineers, all their customer service reps, you know all other kind of people.

00:36:20.581 --> 00:36:29.943
In the company With Genetic Insights, there is literally only two people who have the potential to access your data, and that's me and our head of operations, jessica.

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That's it.

00:36:30.865 --> 00:36:37.327
And I say potential too, because I frequently consult with people in order to be able to see their data.

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What I have to do is I have to reset their password and then they immediately know about that.

00:36:42.644 --> 00:37:04.697
So I always ask their permission first, and so there is no way for anyone to access your data without you knowing about it with our system now that's if you were using someone else's system initially, like I did for to get your dna if you buy a dna kit from us which is an option not necessary if you've done it with someone else before then we have systems in place of anonymizing and randomizing within the lab.

00:37:04.697 --> 00:37:07.664
So when you send off your kit, your name isn't included.

00:37:07.664 --> 00:37:11.762
There's just like an ID thing that you have registered somewhere else.

00:37:11.762 --> 00:37:20.128
So there's basically I won't go through the whole thing, but there's an extensive process to anonymize your data to make sure that no one in that lab is going to be able to know that that's you and tie that to you.

00:37:20.434 --> 00:37:21.737
Wow, thank you for clarifying that.

00:37:21.737 --> 00:37:42.757
You brought up some very good points in what could be done with your genetic information, how it can be accessed anyway and with or without your knowledge, and it's good to know that your company has measures in place so that your clients know whether their information is being looked at, so that definitely can give them some peace of mind.

00:37:42.757 --> 00:37:59.719
So appreciate you sharing that with us, and I'd like to thank you for being a guest on our show and telling us about genetic insights and how you're helping people learn about their genetic makeup and what they can do to start improving their health and their life and reversing their age.

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Thank you.

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That's all I have for you today, friend, but the conversation doesn't end here.

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It's just beginning and it continues with you.

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I want you to remember this Every single one of us has a power to make choices that resonate with our body's unique stories.

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Elwin's journey and the work he's doing with Genetic Insights show us that knowledge isn't just power, it's empowerment.

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So what's your next step?

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Maybe it's getting curious about your own genetic blueprint, or perhaps it's simply taking a moment to listen to your body and the signals it's sending you.

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Whatever it is, I encourage you to take that step.

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Explore, learn and embrace the journey toward feeling younger, livelier and more vibrant.

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And if you need help with taking those steps and understanding what your genetic blueprint is really telling you, contact me at wwwthelifebalancecom that's wwwthelthebalancecom and tell me about your journey, your discoveries, your challenges.

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Connect with us on social media at Dr Tamar Lawful, share your story and let's keep this conversation going Together.

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We're not just changing our own lives.

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We're inspiring a wave of health and vitality that can transform the world.

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If you've enjoyed this episode and found value in our conversation, please share it with a friend or two.

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You've been listening and you haven't let me know how the show is impacting you.

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Thank you once more for being part of this journey.

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Coming up next week on the show, we're diving into the heart of making peace with food through a philosophical approach to nutrition, so you can embrace your journey towards health without the shadow of diet myths and societal pressures.

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Talk to you next Friday.

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Until then, always remember to raise the script on health, because together we can bring health care to higher levels.