July 19, 2024
How to Integrate Nutrigenomics in Your Pharmacy Practice with Dr. Tamar Lawful
Feeling stuck in your pharmacy role? Discover how you can pivot your career using nutritional genomics to empower patients beyond the counter
Are you a pharmacist feeling unfulfilled and out of alignment with your current practice?
If you're like many pharmacists, you may have entered the field with a passion for helping people, only to find yourself feeling like you're not truly making an impact. You're managing medications, not empowering patients to achieve better health.
The good news is, there's a solution. By expanding your skills into areas like nutritional genomics and health coaching, you can get back to your "why" and start delivering transformative results.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU'LL DISCOVER:
- How Dr. Tamar Lawful went from feeling unfulfilled as a pharmacist to running a thriving health coaching practice
- The power of using nutritional genomics to personalize nutrition and lifestyle plans for clients
- How you can be trained to offer similar services and reignite your passion for helping others
When you shift your focus to proactive, personalized health solutions, you'll not only feel more fulfilled professionally, but you'll be equipped to help patients achieve real, lasting results.
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Transcript
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It's like different hats for me.
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So when I'm at the hospital, I'm a pharmacist, but when I am health coaching, I see myself more as a health coach.
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I do use my pharmacist skills, but in that setting I see myself more as a health coach.
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Welcome to Pivoting Pharmacy with Neutrogenomics, part of the Pharmacy Podcast Network, a must-have resource for pharmacist entrepreneurs seeking to enhance patient care while enjoying career and life.
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Join us as we pivot into nutrigenomics, using pharmacy and nutrition for true patient-focused care.
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Explore how to improve chronic conditions rather than just manage them.
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Celebrate entrepreneurial triumphs and receive priceless advice.
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Align your values with a career that profoundly impacts patients.
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Together, we'll raise the script on health and pivot into a brighter future.
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Hello and welcome to Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.
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I'm Dr Tamar, lawful Doctor of Pharmacy and Certified Nutritional Genomics Specialist.
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Today's episode, we're revisiting a conversation that resonated with so many of you.
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It's a replay from the I Started as a Pharmacist podcast, where I had the privilege of diving deep into a subject that's very close to my heart integrating nutrigenomics in your pharmacy practice.
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For those of you new to the term nutrigenomics, it's a cutting-edge field that combines nutrition and genetics to create personalized health plans for individuals.
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It's about moving beyond the one-size-fits-all approach and truly understanding how an individual's genetic makeup can influence their response to nutrients and, ultimately, their health.
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During this interview, we covered a lot of ground, from my initial steps feeling unfulfilled in the traditional pharmacy role managing medications without really touching the core of patient health to launching my vibrant health coaching practice that places nutrigenomics at the forefront.
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As pharmacists, we are uniquely positioned to make a significant difference in preventative healthcare.
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It's about time we lean into that potential and start shaping a future where our work directly contributes to improved patient outcomes, reduced medication dependencies and healthier communities.
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So, whether you're a seasoned pharmacist, entrepreneur or someone just starting to question the traditional pharmacy model, this episode is for you.
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So listen in the traditional pharmacy model.
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This episode is for you.
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So listen in.
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So I am excited today.
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We have Dr Tamar Lawful here today.
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She is a pharmacist and certified nutritional genomics specialist.
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She is the founder and CEO of Life Balance and she helps women with metabolic syndrome through her program Inner Glow.
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She helps women with metabolic syndrome prioritize themselves, get healthier and get off medication, which just makes me so happy to hear.
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I love that and I cannot wait to talk about all things that you've been have going on.
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So, first of all, I always start off these interviews with kind of a basic question how did you originally decide to go to pharmacy school?
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How did you decide to be a pharmacist?
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You know my mom.
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I was raised by a single mom and we are immigrants from Jamaica.
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So I came here at age of four and growing up we always relied on a lot of herbal and nutritional type things to get healthy for medicine.
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If we're sick, we rarely use medications.
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So as a child I really got sick, rarely got sick.
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I only remember being really sick one time.
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I didn't know what a pharmacy was, anything.
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I never had to go.
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So when I became about 14 years old, my grandmother got really sick.
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She had lung cancer.
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So my mom sent my brother and I back to Jamaica to see her and at that moment I said I need to help.
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I want to be able to help people like my grandmother, so that she was suffering, so that they're not suffering.
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So I had a conversation with my mom about the type of careers I could have that would help someone like my grandmother and she's a nurse, my mom's a nurse and she said you know, I don't really recommend nursing for you.
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You know mama knows best.
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So I said, okay, yeah, whatever you say.
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We went through engineering, biomedical engineering, different things and landed on pharmacy and then she had me do my research.
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I learned that with the medications I can help people feel better, whether it's pain, or even help cure their diseases or manage it, you know.
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So I said that's the way I want to go, because it didn't put me directly in front of the patient that's suffering, which I was terrified of and completely uncomfortable being at that time, at 14 years old, the thought of being in a room with someone again going through that terrified me.
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So as a pharmacist, I can still help without directly being there in that space.
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So at a young age of 14, 15, that's when I decided that's what I'm going to do and I really want to know how these medications work.
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So I went into a program, pharmacy program at the University of Sciences in Philadelphia and 20 years in, I'm still a pharmacist and I absolutely love and enjoy being a pharmacist, being able to help people.
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But somewhere along the lines in my career I started feeling unfulfilled in the sense that I wasn't really helping my patients.
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And it came, this happened, this revelation happened at a time I was a transitions of care clinical pharmacist and I would see patients with diabetes, heart failure, high cholesterol, and they routinely came back to the hospital despite me at discharge, you know, counseling them, going over their medications, encouraging them to limit your salt intake.
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Focus on this.
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Many grams of carbs a day.
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Make sure you exercise 30 minutes five days a week.
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Yeah, they would come back.
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So I had to ask myself am I really helping?
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Am I really helping and how can I actually really help patients or people in general with these conditions get better.
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I can totally relate to that word unfulfilled that you said.
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I had the same exact experience in the community setting where I had to, like, take a good hard look at myself and my practice and say, okay, am I helping people how I actually want to be helping people?
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Am I helping people, you know?
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So I called it, I was out of alignment, but I can totally relate to that.
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So how long into your career as a pharmacist Did this kind of awakening, or whatever you call it, did that happen?
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No, this happened about year 13 of my career, yeah, yeah.
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So I noticed in year nine is when I realized, hey, patients are frequently coming back to the hospital.
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What can be done?
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So I said, oh, transitions of care.
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So I did a residency at the hospital's already at year nine of being a pharmacist.
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Wow, towards the end of the residency they said you know, we want to start a transitions of care program here and they so they interviewed for it.
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I was highly interested in it.
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So they gave the role to me to build this, this transitions of care department, and it was good, we had success, but it could be better and I felt that I was being reactive versus proactive.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I want to go back to the residency thing really quick, cause I think that is amazing that you were practicing for nine years and then went back and did a residency a few years.
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Let's see, it must've been six years into practice.
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I had a moment where I was like, okay, I need to do something.
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I'm either going to go back and do a residency or a fellowship or I'm going to have a resident at my site, which was relatively uncommon in the community setting.
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It still is relatively uncommon in the community setting.
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So I ended up going the route of having residence and being a preceptor for residence.
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But I had that in the back of my head.
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I just love going to school.
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I don't know how you are, I just love learning.
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If I could get paid to learn, I would do that.
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So residency sounded like sounds fun to me.
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I wanted to do it but at the same time, of course, I was hesitant.
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I'm like I'm nine years in, I'm competing against these new pharmacists and I have to take my pay cut.
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I don't consider, oh, you've been a pharmacist, we'll continue paying you.
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Take that pay cut to go down to be to be a resident.
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So there was a lot, but I did a lot of preparation financially to prepare for that residency experience and I absolutely enjoyed it.
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I absolutely enjoyed it.
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It gave me a different perspective than what I was already doing and practicing as a pharmacist the importance of research and relying on the research out there.
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As well.
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Well, it makes sense to me that you would be the kind of person that can shake up your career if you're willing to go back and do what it takes to figure out what you want to do and become an expert in what you're wanting to do.
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So I just think that's really cool.
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Okay, so that's how you became a pharmacist.
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You practice as a pharmacist, and one more thing I just want to mention.
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So you identify still as a pharmacist.
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Yeah, currently, yes, okay, you're still practicing as a pharmacist.
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It's funny.
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I know the whole identify as thing right now.
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I personally, am going through a bit of a phase where I'm like I don't really identify as a pharmacist.
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Right now.
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I'm really working as a coach and, yes, my skills build upon what I know as a pharmacist and my 11 years of practice as a pharmacist.
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But I really, right now, I don't know, I don't feel like I'm a pharmacist.
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Well, it's like different hats for me.
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So when I'm at the hospital, I'm a pharmacist, but I feel you, when I am health coaching with my ladies, with the women, I see myself more as a health coach.
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I do use my pharmacist skills for those that have the medications and then the supplements, and so that hat comes on, but in that setting I see myself more as a health coach.
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Yeah, it is like hats, because I probably could put the hat back on, do it, and right now I just don't want to.
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I guess is.
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I guess that's what it is want to.
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I guess that's what it is Okay.
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So talk to me about how you started to kind of expand beyond, kind of the typical practice of pharmacy.
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It started with my own health.
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Honestly, I wasn't diagnosed with any medical conditions, but I knew where it was going.
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I knew where it was going.
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I lived a very hectic life.
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I was the kind of person that I always had to have something on my plate.
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I was to the point where I'm engaged, I'm pregnant for the first time, and now not only am I on the board of one nonprofit, but I'm on the board of three nonprofits and I'm still working full time, night shift at a hospital.
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So I wasn't getting enough sleep, I was gaining weight, I was always tired.
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I just didn't feel good and I was stressed, always tired.
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I just didn't feel good and I was stressed.
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So something had to change and I had to start focusing on myself and I realized that a lot of it comes from self-love.
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We're prioritizing everyone else before ourselves.
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We need to give ourselves a little love and self-prioritization as well.
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So that's where life balance really comes from, because it stands from love yourself first every day.
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And I said you know what?
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I'm going to create a business where I coach women to prioritize their health, to love themselves first every day, and by doing that they can start prioritizing their health once they recognize they need to.
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That is part of that self-love, and so through life balance.
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That's hard though.
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Yeah, it is hard.
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It is hard because you can know that that's what you need to do.
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That doesn't mean that you can just like do it.
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I know, I know it's hard and that's why some people need coaches, right?
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So there's life coach, health coach, whatever it is.
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You need that extra support and, along the way, you're aware you need to do something, one one you may not even know, really know how to go about doing it.
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Yeah, right.
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And then, once you start learning what you have to do, you need that support along the way to say, hey, you can do it.
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Keep going, keep going, because what they say it's 30 days to make a habit, but 90 days to make a lifestyle.
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Right, so, 30 days, great, you made it.
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But I'm going to keep supporting you and encourage you some more, you know.
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For 60, 40 days.
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You can do anything for 30 days, like I could check off 30 days worth of anything.
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That does not mean that it is now part of my lifestyle, exactly.
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So we made it.
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We need to make it our lifestyle to love ourselves first and not feel guilty about it, whether we're moms or caretakers, and especially women in the health care field.
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You know we, you know our desire is to help others and take care of others, and rarely do we even think that, oh, I need to do something for myself first, until you crash.
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Probably until you can't take care of others anymore.
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Then you finally comes back around like, oh, because I'm not taking care of myself.
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I would imagine that's a kind of a trigger or a pain point that a lot of women probably finally gets them to think about taking care of themselves first.
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The whole oxygen mask thing, right.
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Right, you don't put the mask on the baby first, and that is exactly right.
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It is a huge pain point with the clients that I have.
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So you started working with women.
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In that sense, you founded a new company and you have a program.
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Maybe talk a little bit more about your program that you have within that business.
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Sure, my program, the Integral Health Program I named it that because my clients truly have this glow that when they start getting healthy and they start putting themselves first, so it's like that inner glow they're getting healthy from inside and that health, that glow, just shines through to them.
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So I said inner glow would be perfect for the name of this company and in the program what I do is I have a five-phase system that I put them through to focus on different aspects of their health and make lifestyle changes.
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It's a 90-day program and I have an option of the program where they can use nutrigenomic testing.
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And then there's a non-nutrigenomic testing option for those who may not be comfortable with DNA or genetic testing.
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But with the nutrigenomic testing, those are the clients that actually get the results because they start seeing, oh, this is what's going on with me.
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And then, not only that, they get specifics on what type of foods they need to eat to readjust certain things with their genetics and what type of exercise, type form distress management will be best for them, even supplements that they may need.
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Those are all things that you're able to get, like genetic testing that will tell you what is best for each individual person.
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That is cool With the program, with the company that I use their genetic testing is that very specific with that?
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And so, because of that specificity with the test, my ladies are like, oh, this is me, this is what my genes are telling me, so I better get to it and work in accordance with it.
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So the clients I have to say that take the nutrigenomic testing, they are more compliant with the program and get the best results.
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So, whether it's weight loss, getting off medications, that's been my initiative as well, not only for them to start putting themselves first with their health, but get off those medications because some of them we can do without.
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You know, just focus on your nutritional lifestyle changes and you can get off of them.
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Less side effects, you know you're saving some money, yeah.
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So that's been a definite plus for me to see some of my clients be able to get off their medications.
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That's really cool.
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I just get so excited when I hear people helping others get off medications.
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That's like just makes my heart so happy.
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That's one of my favorite things.
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So tell me what you think about that.
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So I find that when clients have like concrete data about like this is what will help you most, or this is what actions to take, because we know this based on genomics or whatever, whatever we're testing that it allows them to like number one, trust it more than just like well, dr Lawful says I should do these things.
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They're able to trust it a little bit more.
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And then also, I find there's a little bit less of like shitting and shaming and a little bit more of like this is just what's best for me.
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I want to do this.
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Has that been your experience working with clients?
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That's the exact experience, Abby.
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You know.
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We can definitely guide them without the test, on the habits that they should have for nutrition and lifestyle.
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Because there's like general foundational things that we all could be doing better.
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Totally makes sense.
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But with the test now we're personalizing, we're customizing it for them, for them specifically.
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And I do group coaching.
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I only do like private one-on-one, like two clients a year, but group coaching.
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So in the group they're seeing that, oh, cindy had this result and she's working on this with her nutrition and lifestyle changes and working on this.
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So they see that it is different.
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It is different versus if they did a Google search, they would get the same answer.
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They will all get the same answer.
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Yeah, depending what website, or they'll get confusing answers.
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Well, they'll get like 79 different answers and have to pick which one they want to try.
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Right, yeah, indeed, yeah, okay, cool, and so do you work.
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So you do the coaching in the groups yourself.
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Do you have any anyone else on your team?
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Or are you doing all the nutrition coaching, the genomics coaching, all of all the things I do, all of the things I have, different services.
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My plan is to expand, hire some pharmacists on in the future, near future, and so that you know, because I'm only one person and the impact that I have made with the women that I've worked with, this can be grown exponentially by having other pharmacists use this tool and then I also believe a lot of it is credited to the protocol that I do use and put the women through to guide them through the process of making these changes in nutrition and lifestyle.
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So being able to share that protocol with other pharmacists as well, in nutrition and lifestyle, so being able to share that protocol with other pharmacists as well.
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Then I have to do the thinking.
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I've already done it.
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Just check this out and see how it works with your clients.
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So that's something that I am working on doing, to be able to hire other pharmacists.
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So you're working right now on being able to not just work directly with clients, but to be able to teach other pharmacists who are feeling unfilled and out of alignment in their current practice, to be able to help transform these women's lives.
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That's right, abby, and my Raise the Script program.
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That's my program for pharmacists.
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So my inner glow is for the health coaching.
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My niche is the women with metabolic syndrome.
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And then Raise the Script is for these unfulfilled pharmacists or pharmacists who you know they want to do something different, something innovative that's actually going to help, that's actually going to be proactive.
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It can be reactive in a sense as well, but actually getting results with your patients, helping them get better.
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So that is my raise a script program.
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I like the name.
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That's fun.
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A clever name helps.
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It looks like you're good at clever names.
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So that's like a useful skill set.
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Is there anything that you know your training and your experience as a pharmacist over the last 20 years like anything that specifically you think makes you especially good at you know running your program, coaching, maybe even teaching other pharmacists, anything that you've brought kind of from your past life into this?
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Yeah, I would say I'm someone that I'm great at creating programs, building things from scratch, and I have this vision of what needs to be accomplished and then, from A to Z, I can map it out in very much detail and for some reason, I enjoy doing it.
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There are many people who do not enjoy that.
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I enjoy doing it and then, yeah, so I think that cause I was doing that before residency, when I was working in a pharmacy, in a hospital, I would see things I'm like, oh, that could be improved.
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And I would make these PowerPoint presentations and then send it to my manager and he was like what I already did the work for you.
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I already did thinking for you.
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Here's the problem, here's the solution and this is what we can accomplish with it.
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And they absolutely loved it.
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So I took that on with me for residency during the residency process, which helped as well.
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And then when I did the transitions of care program and now developing my health coaching program and the pharmacist consultant program.
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I don't know if you call that a visionary or what, but I would say I have the visions of definitely what healthcare can be.
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My ultimate goal is to really make an impact on the lives of patients so that they don't have to rely on medication, because in a sense, I feel like as pharmacists, we've really been in the industry or the jobs of maintaining illness.
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So this managing medication therapy managing it is not in the essence of getting them off of it, but just making sure it's safe that the one that they are on is safe.
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Deprescribing, yes, but at the same time, what are we doing so that they can potentially not have to be on these medications, not because there's a side effect or a drug-drug interaction, but legitimately they do not have to be on this because their health has improved?
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That's where I want to go.
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That's my vision for the future of healthcare to start thinking in that way.
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To me that sounds so common sense.
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It shouldn't be that that is so innovative and revolutionary, right, but it is.
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It is and I.
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One thing I get real fired up about specifically and it probably comes up if you're working with people who have metabolic dysfunction is this idea that people who have diabetes they're really just told that they're going to be able to manage their symptoms slow the progression of all of the downstream effects.
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You know, hopefully we can delay needing the the super serious god forbid it's things like amputations or whatever but it's bonkers to me that people are not even told, like they don't even know, that it is reversible, it can be put into remission, like it's not a chronic progressive disease in all cases.
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It just fires me up.
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