April 25, 2025
Can You Really Reprogram Your Health Destiny? with Dr. Ric Kealoha
Feeling health-hopeless? Tune in to discover how functional medicine can empower your wellbeing by tackling the root causes of chronic issues, all with a touch of AI magic!
Are you frustrated with traditional medicine's approach to chronic health issues?
Many people feel let down by the "pill for every ill" mentality and lack of focus on root causes in conventional healthcare.
Discover how functional medicine and a holistic approach can transform your health by addressing the underlying factors behind chronic fatigue, hormonal imbalances, and more.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU'LL DISCOVER:
- Why emotional health and mindset are crucial foundations for physical wellbeing
- How toxins in our environment and diet contribute to chronic health problems
- Exciting ways AI and technology are making functional medicine more accessible
The future of healthcare is personalized, proactive and focused on optimizing your entire system - not just managing symptoms. Tune in to learn how you can take control of your health journey.
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00:00 - Breaking Free From Traditional Healthcare
02:42 - Dr. Rick's Journey to Functional Medicine
08:51 - The Mind-Body Connection and Emotional Health
18:33 - Chronic Fatigue: A Multifaceted Problem
23:44 - AI and The Future of Functional Medicine
31:20 - Your Genes Don't Control Your Destiny
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Because of the modern way of epigenetics, you are not particularly locked into those genes.
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You can change them.
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You can switch them on and off.
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The key is lifestyle.
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If you're stressed out, you have to change and you have to deal with stressors directly.
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There's no other way.
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There's no magic pill.
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If you want to break the mold of traditional pharmacy and healthcare, you are in the right place.
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Welcome to the Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics podcast, part of the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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Here's a little truth bomb.
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We're all unique, down to our DNA, so it's no wonder we react differently to the same medications, foods and environment.
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Here's a million dollar question how can you discover exactly what your body needs, which medication, what foods or supplements and which exercises are right for you?
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How can you manage chronic conditions like diabetes without more medications?
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How can you lose weight and keep it off?
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How do you tap into your genetic blueprint so you can stop surviving and start thriving in health and life?
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That is the question, and this podcast will give you the answer.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Tamar, Lawful, doctor of pharmacy.
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Let's pivot into genomics and bring healthcare to higher levels.
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Hello, welcome to Pivoting Pharmacy of Nutrigenomics.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Tamar Lawful , Doctor of Pharmacy and Certified Nutritional Genomics Specialist.
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We have a fascinating episode today.
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That's all about rethinking your health and wellness journey.
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So if you're frustrated with the traditional pill for every ill approach to healthcare, you're not alone.
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Many people feel let down by conventional medicine's tendency to treat symptoms, frustrated with the traditional pill for every ill approach to health care.
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You're not alone.
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Many people feel let down by conventional medicine's tendency to treat symptoms rather than addressing the root causes of chronic health issues.
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But what if there is another way, a way to take control of your health by digging deeper and focusing on the underlying factors that may be contributing to chronic conditions like fatigue, hormonal imbalances and more?
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Today's guest, Dr.
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Ric Kealoha, is here to talk about how functional medicine and a holistic approach can transform your health.
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Dr.
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Ric will walk us through how emotional health, toxins in our environment and even advances in AI technology are reshaping the future of medicine.
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By the end of this episode, you'll learn how you can move beyond the limitations of your genes and truly reprogram your health destiny.
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So listen in.
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Thank you, Ric, for joining us on Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.
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I'm so delighted to have you with us today.
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My pleasure.
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Now you know your journey from studying medicine to pioneering in functional and longevity medicine.
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It's quite fascinating.
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Can you share what inspired this transition and how it has informed your approach to health and wellness?
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Well, when we were going to school, we were very optimistic and hopeful because we're gonna like help people's lives and health.
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You have fun going through school, you know, in medical and pharmacy school, and then you're very idealistic.
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And then you graduate and you say, yay, you know, we're licensed now.
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And then all of a sudden, holy shit, what did I get myself into?
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We're supposed to be healing people, right?
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And I feel like I'm betrayed.
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I felt betrayed and I felt like I'm betraying patients because they're supposed to look up to us as me, you, as role models, mentors of good health, really.
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And so I mean, I didn't feel that way.
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I felt like I was just maintaining the disease.
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And when I was a resident, I was 200 pounds, I had gout and all painful gout.
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I was wobbling from hospital room to hospital room and I was in pain and I was overworked and I only had 10 minutes for each patient and all I could do was prescribe them more meds.
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And then, when my rheumatologist said, okay, just take these pills, and I said that's it, I mean, these have bad side effects, you know, don't you have anything better than this?
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And it didn't really get to the core of the issue, it just merely took care of the symptoms, you know, and I said I didn't sign up for this.
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So a slow awakening came about me just after I graduated doing my residency in stroke medicine and neurology, where a lot of there usually are older people right with lots of comorbidities, lots of diseases that they're fighting and they have to manage it, and it was going nowhere.
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It's like going to a dead end really, and just the amount of prescriptions that they're taking, a lot of the side effects, you know, and they're looking up to me for guidance on their health, and I said this doesn't feel right, you know.
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And then Andrew Weil came into the picture.
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Oh my God, he's from Harvard and he's practicing meditation and yoga.
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And then you have Deepak Chopra.
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So, whoa, they never taught us the spirituality stuff.
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You know, the emotion, the connection between your lifestyle, your well-being, your body.
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The total holistic point of view was never really taught to me, and maybe as well to you, I gather, right.
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Exactly Nothing whatsoever yeah.
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And I said we're supposed to be healers, we're just pushing drugs like a licensed drug dealer, you know really, with a white coat and a title, right.
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So it didn't feel right to me because I had to heal myself too.
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So I discovered much better nutrition because we were taught in school crappy, outdated nutrition that was so, so upside down right, and I'm saying to myself I feel like a hypocrite.
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So a slow awakening came about me and I even tried to learn a little bit of Ayurveda.
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And then along came Jeff Bland, functional medicine researcher, and then Mark Hyman, whom I happen to be working in this clinic here in the island of Ibiza.
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It's like an ultra-exclusive, high-end clinic, luxurious, five-star wellness resort in the island of Ibiza, and Mark Hyman is the CEO.
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So that's really cool to work in his facility and we have these high-achieving clients who come in and they've had enough of the old fashioned stuff.
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And then I also follow Stephen Gundry because he goes deep into the microbiome.
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So yeah, it was a slow awakening, a nice awakening, because now I dropped the 200 pounds.
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Now I'm like 177, no exercise, just intermittent fasting and a ketogenic diet, and so all my pain went away and I threw away my meds, really for a gap.
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Congratulations, amazing story, and your experience definitely resonates with me because, as going into pharmacy school, I chose it because I wanted to help people get better.
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Yeah, it took me 15 years to realize it, or really just be fed up to the point that I want to do something else, in that we're just maintaining their disease state.
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We really weren't treating it, we're just managing it.
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And but why manage it when you can actually help them improve?
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You know to the point that we rely on those medications.
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Exactly and we were just taught pathology and just focusing on the disease and not the whole person.
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You know, I thought that's wrong, you know.
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And then in 2009 this is like another aha moment for me when this woman from australia scientist, dr elizabeth blackburn she won the the Nobel Prize in 2009 for proving that our emotional state controls how our chromosomes are created, whether it be when we're more stressed.
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She proved the chromosomes via the telomeres were more fragile and more prone to breaking.
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She studied women who had special needs kids, right, and it's a very high stress situation because, you know, they're new mothers and they realize that, oh my god, my child is, he's not fully healthy and it's got to be probably really, really stressful for them.
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And so she did clinical research on them and how the telomeres were more prone to breakage.
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And I said to myself wow, cool Epigenetics, our emotion does have a consequence on our lifestyle.
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In Nobel prize alarming kind of way, you know.
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So I used to hate yoga, but now I do yoga, I do meditation and also emotional healing for my clients.
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I was treating cancer patients too, but not doing chemo, but more cell-based immunotherapy, and then after that I got into more longevity, more with healthier patients, you know, not with cancer, but people who would just want to optimize their health.
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Well, Ric can we actually talk more about that?
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Going back to really the mindset, the connection between mindset, emotional health, physical health in particular, how do you explain that when we're?
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Because you're taking this root cause approach when it comes to health and that root cause is identifying that mindset is very important.
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So how, why, how is that actually helping our physical health?
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For example, just thinking nasty thoughts about somebody, it creates a neurochemical change in our bodies to where we're actually poisoning ourselves and there's a little bit of a stress phenomenon going on.
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When you're thinking these negative thoughts about somebody, cortisol goes up and, as a result of the cortisol going up, it prevents the cells from your body from regenerating more efficiently, because the cortisol really stops the regeneration of ourselves, because we're in a fight or flight mode right when we're in a stressful situation.
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So when that stressful situation and it's on a constant basis, because cortisol is only designed to be secreted into our bloodstream only for minutes, just to save our lives, but it's supposed to go away after that threat is done with right, the stressful mass media telling all kinds of misinformation to political leaders who are corrupt and who are really not taking care of our communities, to the big pharma influence on politics.
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As the catastrophe of 2020 happened, all of a sudden, caregivers professional caregivers forgot their training in virology, forgot their training in immunology and microbiology and everybody was just on this bandwagon of not engaging their brain and critical thinking, just going with the masses for fear of losing their jobs, but poisoning patients at the same time.
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And now there's like a 10-year backlog in the courts of all the families who have been injured, who are wanting to take big pharma to court over these really untested vaccines, really so yeah, the emotion is so important.
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Our brains, right.
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Our emotions control our bodies.
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So how do you expect to heal the body when you're not healing the master controller?
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Which is this right?
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I mean my father, because he was.
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He had low self-esteem.
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My first job was at KFC and I loved taking the chicken home.
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When we didn't sell the chicken right, we put them in a bucket.
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My grandmother would be waiting for me at midnight saying where's the chicken, where's the chicken Right?
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And that was really cool.
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And along the way home my dad said to me on the car no fights, no arguments, nothing.
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You know what, Ric, when you grow up, you're going to be a no good person.
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And I just like looked at him and I said, what the hell?
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No, no, no arguments, no fights.
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Before that and he just said it off hand.
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But because I loved him, I was so shocked and those few words that took him only seconds to say stayed in my brain for 10 to 15 years and that really crushed my spirit, combined with the fact that when I was 10, I got involved in a serious car accident.
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I was sleeping in the back of our Volkswagen and a drunk driver plowed into us with a huge American car and my body was flung to the front of the car and, as a result, I detached my right retina and it's still detached.
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And so I went through med school.
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I went through economics with just reading with my left eye.
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But before that, during the accident, when I was growing up as a teenager, my self-esteem was so, so low and I could never imagine finishing med school or any higher degree.
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No way.
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In fact, when I tried getting into the military, they rejected me because of my damaged retina.
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But I didn't take it that way.
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I said they accept the stupidest people in the military, but they rejected me.
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I said what the hell?
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So my self-esteem was down even further.
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And so, to make a long story short, is that there's no magic pill for emotional healing.
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Even though I was a psychiatric resident for two months, we are made to believe that a pill, a magic pill, exists that can wipe away the trauma in our brains.
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It doesn't exist, and the only way to heal from the negative experiences, the traumas, you have to deal directly with the issue, but unfortunately, a lot of people are so scared to confront their skeletons in your closet and so they just tend to, because they're not strong enough, they tend to bury it under the rug, sweep it under the rug, letting it affect their relationships with their partners, with their kids, with their other family members, with their colleagues at work.
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You know like in the workplace highly bureaucratic, highly political A lot of people don't have the maturity to keep their crap at home.
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They take it with them and, as a result, there's so many places in the workplace that's so toxic, because these people are not man enough to keep their crap at home and letting it poison themselves, their colleagues and then, ultimately, their health.
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And add to that the fact that in America the foods are so loaded with so many toxins, and add to that the fact that we, as healthcare professionals, were taught crappy nutrition and so it's just a pile of toxins on top of us.
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And then we expect psychiatrists with their magic pills to heal us.
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No way, it doesn't work.
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Yeah, more is needed.
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More is definitely needed.
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Thank you, for I appreciate the fact that you shared your personal story with us, and it's so true the words, words are like weapons, so we have to be careful how we use them, because we never know to what extent it's going to affect the person that we say that to and for how long.
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To what extent it's going to affect the person that we say that to and for how long.
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And when you were talking about what we expose ourselves to, like the news, and how that could actually stress us out.
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I remember when you said that it reminded me of when I was pregnant with my daughter.
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It was during a very intense political time and I remember my mom saying Tamar, turn off the news, you're pregnant, you should not be watching the news.
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Yeah, and so I listened to her and maybe that's why my baby wakes up smiling every day.
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But yeah, it does impact, because I was when I watched the news.
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I was stressed, I could feel it in my body.
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Yeah, angie mentioned cortisol.
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The consistent presence of that is definitely not healthy, and I wanted to ask you, because I know that you deeply focus on chronic fatigue is one of the conditions you focus on?
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Does that tie into chronic fatigue and what are some overlooked aspects of that?
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Chronic fatigue is multi.
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It has so many things involved.
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For example, I don't know where it really actually starts out, but it's a bombardment of everything into the person.
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For example, promise that you didn't get over.
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Now you're an adult, you have a career and so you want to not be fired.
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You want to outperform your colleagues at work Maybe you have a toxic boss, a toxic colleague and then add to that the fact that you're surrounded by fast food, processed food, so you're not giving your body enough fuels to fight the stress.
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It's actually stressing you out more by eating these crappy foods.
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Add to that the politics.
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You've got the hormones.
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What's killing the hormones?
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What's imbalancing or disbalancing the hormones?
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Chemicals that mimic estrogen, chemicals that mimic hormones, pesticides, cosmetics that are not bio, lotions that are not bio.
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Fluoridated toothpaste is an absolute toxin.
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You want to go for bio toothpaste.
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What else?
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Skin care, hair care products all mimic, because a lot of the chemicals are derived from the petroleum industry.
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So they mimic estrogens, but a toxic form of estrogens called xenoestrogens.
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So the hormones are out of whack.
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That's one.
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Then you have the cortisol going up, so the cortisol is prohibiting your cells from regenerating, and when you don't which actually when you go to sleep, you're supposed to regenerate your cells, but you're not able to do that because your sleep is affected by the toxins, by the stresses at work.
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You don't get a real restful night's sleep.
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Add to that the fact that people eat way too much.
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You're not allowing your body to regenerate when you eat too much.
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Ideally, you should be eating only two times a day maximum so that you allow your body to heal.
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You should be doing intermittent fasting.
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You should cut out the carbohydrates as much as possible because carbohydrates promote inflammation.
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When the carbs turn into sugars in your metabolism, the sugars kick up your uric acid.
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The uric acid kicks up the inflammation.
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Added to the cosmetic toxins the pesticide-like toxins, bpa, bisphenol coming from plastic products, plastic bottles all mimic estrogen in that way.
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What happens?
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The accumulation of xenoestrogens actually poison your body and it's responsible for a lot of the cancer in the breast, uterine cancer and also prostate cancers.
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So things that mimic hormones are really, really bad.
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They need to be gotten rid of naturally.
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What else?
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Medicines, medicines such as statins yes, I'm sorry to say statins are not really helping with the heart cardiovascular system.
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It's actually just to make money.
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They actually promote the weakness of the heart and they create more dysbiosis, meaning bad bacterias in your gut.
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Why is the gut so important?
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Because the gut bacterias, when they're fed good, healthy stuff, they actually create brain hormones.
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Your dopamine, serotonin, gaba, actually create those.
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That's the main manufacturing system to create the brain hormones.
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Plus, without the good bacteria, you're not able to pull in the nutrients from the foods that you eat.
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It's the bacteria that processes the nutrients.
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So if you have only or mostly bad bacteria, you're not getting enough vitamins, nutrients into your body, into your brain.
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So it's a lot really.
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Yeah, it's a lot, and it seems like it's definitely not good that it's it's additive right, we have so many things to that are impacting our hormones, our health, our body, and so it can seem overwhelming.
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It's like.
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It's like where do you start?
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Where do you start and what would you recommend?
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look at your belly, look at your hips and and how much can you pinch with your fingertips?
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When you pinch that pinch and you pinch one inches, two inches, three inches you're not pinching only cellulite, you're pinching, actually, your stores of toxins accumulated over the years.
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So this is actually affecting you every day.
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In addition to that, your lipocytes, or your fat cells, also produce their own estrogens.
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So if you ever go to a bar and you see men with mantids, that's because the fat cells are creating extra estrogen, which actually creates dinocomasty and also it actually shrinks their genitals at the same time.
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Yeah, and uterine tumors too.
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Obese women have a lot of uterine tumors and breast tumors because of the extra estrogen, estrogen.
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Right yeah, we get estrogen from chemicals called xeno.
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We get plant-based estrogens called phytoestrogens, like from soy products, things like that, and we have our estrogens that our body makes.
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So three forms of estrogens are accumulating too much actually.
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Yeah, yeah, thank you for those insights, Ric.
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Now I want to switch a little bit and talk about the ai, because I noticed that you're at the forefront of integrating ai and advanced technologies and functional medicine.
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So how, how does this innovation enhance your ability to heal the mind and body?
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oh, man, it's like my, along with investors here, because marbella I'm in southern spain.
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Mar man, it's like my, along with investors here, because Marbella I'm in southern Spain.
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Marbella it's like the Beverly Hills of Spain, where a lot of Europeans come to escape the cold weather from Scandinavia, from England, so it's very cosmopolitan here.
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It's by the sea, right, and here I've attracted people who have money, who are really good in business, and we made a team together to create a ecosystem on the internet, on your phone.
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It doesn't require to download an app.
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It's already built in on the web.
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All you have to do is access Instagram and WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger.
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It'll be right there.
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What it is is it's a combination of an AI assistant that looks like a doctor, looks like a practitioner, it will greet you on your phone, and what it will do the knowledge base of it, or the database of it of knowledge, is all functional medicine and holistic health, so you'll only be offered healthier medicines and healthier health.
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So you'll only be offered healthier medicines and healthier protocols, and it's based on longevity, functional medicine and detoxification, and with good, solid nutrition as well.
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At the lower level, the free level, the robot will guide you how to detox your body, how to eat better and basically it's like a daily coach in your pocket.
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Nice yeah.
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So how do we get access to this?
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Do we have to be in Spain at the clinic?
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No, no, no, no no, no, I will fly there.
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No, no, no.
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This is the beauty of it.
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I'm passionate about this.
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The only way you can get functional medicine is you have to travel to the Cleveland Clinic or the Mayo Clinic or UC San Francisco, right, and that's cost, right.
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For a lot of people they're not.
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They may be in Alabama, they may be in Ohio, right.
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So traveling is a barrier really, and cost too, because functional medicines, a lot of their therapies, are not covered by insurance unfortunately.
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Yeah, and so that's a problem.
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So with this system here it's location independent.
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So just as long as you have an internet connection on your phone and you have the messenger, there will be a link on your messenger the Facebook, the Instagram messenger and the WhatsApp messenger there'll be a link and clicking that link will access you to the AI robot.
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It'll greet you it looks like a doctor 3d you know and it'll say hi, how are you?
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How can I help you?
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Today?
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I will be your guide and coach.
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Love it, and what is this called?
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It's in the midst of a development right that's called Metabolics Plus.
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Oh, I am excited.
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